I'm not exactly sure where this should go, but it's vaguely religious.

Are They Back ?

More than vaguely religious i would say, and i do find this a fascinating subject so i do, i will watch for any further news with great interest, tell you what though, ide fight for a front seat in the public Gallery of any case brought against the Church for restoration of property and cash to the Templars, 700 years + for justice, it just goes to show, its never too late.

Equally as interesting would be a claim against the Royal family for a return of cash and property from them, as the law stands now, if you die owing debts, your family has to fork it out of your estate. Our dearly beloved Royal family were of course related to the French Royal family, so i think its fair to say that part of their their ill gotten gains would have come from the Templars. Justice, how sweet is ustice, however late.

Another fight for a front row seat in the public gallery.

The descendants of "witches" ?

Witches? I don't understand.

Will the Catholic Church be paying Compensation for all the burned Witches.

Didn't the Knights Templers escape to Scotland because there is this source describing White Knights at the battle of Bannockburn.

I think because the Pope in 1314 insulted both the Knights and the Scots.

Flaming heck, there's a bill for you, that would at least take 10% of the churches cash, well 10% of one of there declared accounts any way.








Thats true Fire, the only reason the Scots won that battle, was because the Templars fought with them, the later battles they lost because the Templars were not with them.

Some baby's were those Templars, real kick arse scrappers so they were.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were back.. the Knight Templars were made popular (again) by Dan Brown. It doesn't take much to bring something back from the dead.

You worry me.

That is ok, I worry myself

I enjoy reading anything to do with the Knights Templar. Just read a book called Knights of The Black & White. It was a really interesting read, when I get round to it, I'm going to read the second in the trilogy.

I cant wait to do some Necromancy

Is it a fictitious book or a factual one?

I have a great interest in the Nights Templar, but only in serious factual book, the way i look at it, i aint got too long left to live, so i aint got time to waste reading imaginary stories, when there are so many factual ones out there. I need to know whats whats and i aint got a lot of time left to find out.






Now young fire, you just hold it there, your far too young to be thinking about having it orf wiv corps's

Er.......or is that necrophilia? OH i dont know, just dont do it anyway, cos you might go blind ok.

Any one know how the Nights Templar first kicked off? Is there only one possibility? or is there origin in doubt?

As i understand it a Couple of French nights, who had a bit of cash, gathered about seven French nights and went out to save European pilgrims from the heathen Muslim hoards as they were thought of in those days.


Its believed they mined under the Jewish Temple while they there, i also understand from my mate King Aurther of Yorkshire, that they were scabs, and were not part of the NUM. Sound about right to you guys?

And they ended up lousy rich, shortly after getting back home, Rather like that priest Bérenger Saunière, who got rich while living in an old in a church at Rennes, which is also possibly tied in to the Nights Templar.


Hows that sit with you guys? is that the same as you have, heard....apart from that bit about Authur of course, i was only kidding, they weren't really scabs, because there were no pickets there.

Does any one else remember this story hitting the headlines back in 98 ish, i can actually remember seeing this hit the TV news headlines, and i had forgotten all about, untill i came across this web page quite by accident wile chasing up something else.

(I think big G took me to it, i think he wants me to bring this story back to life and follow it through for him, in fact i think David Ike is my Brother, and we have got the same Father, he is the son of G .....oh it dont matter, no one will believe me any way.)

Ok ile save you all a place in......er well you know where.


But i do remember this story hitting the headlines, so i know that at least part of this story is true, i also remember seeing a TV interview with his brother, but the story just died a death after that, and i dont think there was internet in Britain at that time, least ways i had never heard of it at that time, so i could not try to follow it up..

So does any one else remember seeing this story on the news? and has any one heard anything about it since?

I wonder if the heart they sent back to Britain has been kept by the police for future testing, as technology
advanced, like they have with certain medical evidence, as they have in rape and murder case's from way back? It would be interesting to know, dont you think?


http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/Ritual_Death.htm

i hope this is no Jew-Bashing. But shouldn't the temple mount be jewish? Temple mount is built upon Solomons Temple.

The odd thing there is, if the Israelites did cut his heart out...why send it back, or indeed cut it out anyway?
That cutting the heart out to send home is an act of love and respect, not an act of people wanting the whole thing/person to "disappear".

Maybe to show they know who he is?

No its not Jew bashing at all Fire, i believe that Jesus Christ did exist, ive said so many times before, this is a genuine story, though i know it sounds a bit bizzare, if i had not remembered seeing this story when i was younger, i would have passed it off just another article from the bull shit brigade, but as i said it was a genuine
news item quite a few years ago.

Regarding who owns the land under temple mount, i would simply say, who owned owned the land before Solomon's buddies? Or even How longs a piece of string?

I wonder if we can find that out?

I follow the history, but not really the dates. I know the small tribe that was "Israel" fled to Egypt when they lost a big fight, but I don't know when. I'll try to find out.

Your referring to Sinclair's heart? or Robert Bruce? If your referring too Sinclair, then the Israeli's only returned the heart (if it was the correct heart) after repeated requests from his family, and then when they had no luck, it was at the insistence or (skulduggery) of the British Government.

It was not a voluntary return of the heart, so what are your thought on that?

It could actually be that he really was the descendant of Christ and therefore like the Bruce it would be the done thing to keep his heart there in Israel, while they had the chance of grabbing it.

But their again if Bruce was a Scot, why the buggery would he want his heart left in a foreign country, unless the Declaration of Arbroath is correct, but there i go again eh?


Bury my heart at wounded knee? its a funny old world init.

None yet. I'm going to have a browse around over the next few days and see what crops up.

(Purely as a moment of whimsy)

Hang on TT.
Are you trying for a DaVinci/Braveheart/Raiders of the lost ark crossover film? When they make it you can sue the pants off them by saying "I thought of it first!".


*Deep film intro voice*

The Da Vinci Heart. One mans struggle against the forces of evil as he tries to unite the world under scottish rule, and the search for the heart of Christ with his beautiful sidekick Scorpio, and a group of raggle-taggle gypsies thrown in for good measure.

Ile try to think of a reply just as soon as the giggle fit ends.

When was the Kingdom of Judah because if i remember (i haven't researched them for a while) Didn't they have Jerusalem?

Yep more than once, and more than once they lost it again....if i remember correctly. i think as H, said date's may be interesting.




Has any one here read the Declaration of Arbroath?

The thing that HQ's map showed that the Semitic people came from central Arabia (probably close to Mekkah).

Probably showing the jewish connection to Muhammad (Ismael - migrated to Mekkah area).

I wonder what that new TV series "Bonekickers" will make of the Knights. It's supposedly using them as a topic.

(fiction of course)

Why would the Bruce want his heart burying in Jerusalem?






http://www.watch.pair.com/ritual.html

So which country is in union with the other?

Like Russia was with Finland, Sweden with Norway etc.

I really dont see it as country to country thing, if the Knights Templar are now the Masons, which a lot of people do say, then every Western country is infested with them, and probably a lot of Eastern countries as well.

But America is now the be all and end all of the Masonic movement, of that i am sure.

I meant in relation to the British Clown, as we know that England and Scotland linked up.

Ahhhhhhh The British Clown, well why did'nt you say you meant Gordon Brown in the first place then, still its irrelevant really, cos i dont know who Brown is linked to, although GW would be a real possibility.

Eeeee by gum, there's no fool like an old fool, as the saying goes.

I wonder wether england is part of scotland by the Struarts, or scotland part of england because of the act of union...

Good enough question i reckon young Fire, and as s utch it deserves an answer, Since the Scots King whats his name took over England, its got to be England is part if Scotland, and since the bloody Scots have been ruling Britain ever since, how come us English keep getting the pigging blame for the British Empire?

That clearly shows that the Scots are the brighteset of the two Nations, since they did all the looting and pillaging and we got the blame for it. How dumb arer we British then?

And its no good you trying to blame the Trade Union movement for it either, they had nothing to do with it, ok.

Well there was a scotish empire (Nova SCOTia).

But this is a pickle, King james the 1st of England and 6th (?) of Scotland.

Currently we are reigned by Elizabeth the first of Scotland and 2nd of everywhere else.