"First, existence. As far as I know, none of us can remember the moment we came into existence. Does that mean we didn't exist then? Or were we simply not conscious? And what about past lives? Do past lives mean future lives? We see laws of consevation in the world around us; (blank) cannot be created or destroyed, only converted. Does this apply to our existence as people? Many of us think so, that there is something "after". Is there anything to it, or is it just a delusion based on the other laws of our universe; indeed, of our existence.

And to voluntarily end this existence, at least in its current form, depending on who you believe. It seems unnatural, doesn't it? And what makes us think that? Were we taught it? Or is it our inborn instincts? If it is our instincts, then it has been bred into us through the evolutionary purpose: to survive and to procreate. Is that why we feel pity for others who die? It would certainly make sense. And if that is true, how much more perverse suicide would seem! To die is a sadness, but to take one's own life--why, our instincts would tell us, why, how monstrous! How horrifying! And how many other things seem unnatural; more often than not, we reduce them to loathing and ridicule.

Is there something higher than our instincts, or is self-awareness simply a pretty cover for our base instincts?

And which is worse, suicide, or the circumstances that lead up to it? Again, instinct comes into play: to live is perhaps our stongest urge. What may happen in our lives that could possibly defeat millions of years of evolution? Indeed, it is this instinct that has kept me far from seriously considering suicide, at least thus far in my life. But as strong as the human mind is, it can be broken, and I know mine is no exception. Therefore, I worry that someday an event or change shall carry me over the precipice.

And what comes after? Oblivion? If so, we won't be around to care. If not oblivion, then there is existence. With time, this life will fade, as all memories do. Or perhaps we will not remember at all. And then this life will become a meaningless glimmer in the past. But, some say, those who take their own lives are doomed to a tormented existence in Hell, or whatever one chooses to call it. Again... is this belief a mere manifestation of our instincts, or is there more to it than that? Can a moment's crime bring an eternity's sentence? Is that fair? Does it have to be fair?

What can bring one to suicide? As some of you have said, it may be the people around us. I'll expand on that. Each and every one of us is born with a flaw--and I call it a flaw--we cannot feel what our fellow person feels. We are, for the most part, limited to our own feelings, our own emotions. Sometimes the feelings of others rub off on us, and sometimes ours on others, but each of us is dominated by the self. Maybe it's for the better. Maybe if we felt what others felt, our heads would explode or something. I don't know. But this is why we are so self-absorbed, and it is the cause of the greater portion of sorrow in this world, if not all of it.

A good dose of empathy would do us all a world of good. Unfortunately, empathy is difficult to get. Many of us have too little of it. For some of us, I guess too many of us.

Or maybe I'm just crazy. Maybe I've been staring at this glowing computer screen too long."

Go nuts -lets talk about you feeble mortals.

There are no "past lives". Everyone who has died has gone to Heaven or Hell. Reincarnation is s falseidea. The Bible says (in Hebrews 9 v 27) that after death comes the judgement.

After death is not oblivion, but standing before God to give account of our lives. Those who, during their lives, have repented of their sins and accepted Jesus as their personal Saviour go to Heaven, those who refused (or simply ignored the Gospel) go to Hell.

I never understood why suicide was considered a sin myself.
Especially when people use the 'All part of gods plan' excuse.
Example-

Billy: "Jee wiss God.. Life sure does sucks"

God: "Everything happens for a reason little Billy, your just a part of my super advanced mashi.... wait... no little Billy... put down that noose.... Don't make me use my powers! *looks around* *flicks lightswitch repeativly* No, Billy stop! Billy! I had a plan for you! You were going to be a milk man! A MILK MANNN!!
............. Damn you Billy. *Throws away plan for the world*"

God: Memo to self; cancel free-will.

For a somewhat extreme thought on suicide (not mine), someone once called it "extreme sulking". The person committing suicide cannot get what they want, so they sulk and "take their ball and leave the game."

Or you can do it for five minutes of immortality.......


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23098127-23109,00.html

I wonder that bob thinks that suicide is asin because it takes his job away

What does "asin" mean. We don't have that word in the US.

did you really have to ask that?

Not nessa celery so Fire, he might have converted them before they went, once converted Bob has to move on to others that need saving.

Has he saved you yet Fire?

By the way, my plan, which ive worked out with Bob is, to be a right bugger till just before the end, so can an enjoy my self fully, then call Bob in the dying minutes, and let him dave me then, ive got his Mobile number. easy init.

Your foul language shows you will burn in hellfire...

BLOODY HELL!!!!

AH, So you have been saved by Bob, i bloody well knew it.

I think we need to be careful with saying that suicide is a sin. There are people who commit suicide because they are genuinely mentally ill. However, if a person has, during their life, not repented of their sins and accepted Jesus as their personal Saviour, then they go to Hell.

Yer, frankly. You sent me to the dictionery with that, you did. Made me waste all that time...an probably intentionally, too. So back attcha.

attcha?

Are you wasting my time?

The bible never says the mentally ill are allowed to commit suicide...
.. or not that i can remember.

ahhh my stpid comment sparked a discussion...

Neither does it say they cant, i reckon.

There has been a spate of suicides here in South Wales. People think it could be linked to social networking sites like Facebook or Bebo.
An old work colleague of mine killed himself just before christmas. No one knows why, he just did.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7205141.stm

xxxxx

maybe death gives will us answers, but whatever, we can only speculate while we are walking this earth.

I think death could be a gift as it removes our punishment (Mind, pain, Hunger, Thirst)

True. That is probably why so many religious people are happy to die (when their time comes that is).

I learnt from Mishief Night that in muslim heaven there is Big-Breasted Virgins, No i want to convert and die.

It is true... I've been there, the only problem was they stayed virgins... so I came back to Earth. At least the women here have got their priorities right.

Ah i wouldnt know im not old enough for sex, im INNOCENT

I used to be the same when I was a kid.

How long ago was that?

I know there was a blue moon in the sky.... if that helps?

I could work that out...

I was feeling totally pissed off once (after a religious lecture by one of the members, who will remain nameless, but here is a clue 'Bob.')

So I went to the library and asked if they had any books on suicide.

"No," the librarian told me, "they never bring them back."

So you have insight...



Nice one