Whats your thoughts on this ‘Religion’?
Asides from getting a cool names for yourself that sounds straight like you’ve come from battleing orcs and beasties in a Rpg - Eg

Is there anything actually to this religion asides an interesting read ?
Does it bother you and if so why ?

(A link to help those that dont know about it)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

i actually dont mind satanists as much as other organised religions.the satanists dont try to influence my life goverment policies or ask for special privilages just because their satanists.i do feel they get a lot of bad press why this is i cant really say but its probably a lot to do with peoples preconceived notions and ideas.i went out with a girl that was into wicca and taught me a bit abought this,i did think they were all abought sacrificing goats and sex on church altars.

shows how misinformed, naive and narrow minded i was.

The existence of Satan presupposes the existence of God -- Satan was a fallen angel that rebelled against God.

The way I see it, given the choice between Satan and God, it would be illogical to pick Satan because God is more powerful than Satan.

It's like having a choice between playing for Manchester United or Watford. It would be illogical to choose Watford because Watford will be relegated -- just like Satan was.

i support watford! that hurt at least i still have bristol city

leaves storming off in a support a crap football strop

Sorry -- no offense intended.

... So what your saying Zoro is its a – ‘Well my gods better than YOURS scenario. That’s a little unfair! Root for the underdog!- in fact if you’ve read (or have the general jist of)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Comedy
I just feel bad for the guy.

When the decision is one with consequences lasting for eternity and one knows there is no chance that "the underdog" can beat the favorite, it is illogical to pick the underdog.

Satan is a fallen angel and thus can never defeat God. That an angels' powers can never match the powers of God is evidenced by the fact that God expelled Satan from Heaven (or wherever the angels hang out) for insubordination.

In their only face-to-face match, God kicked Satan's ass out of the stadium owing to superior striking quality, a creative midfield, brilliantly coordinated defense, and impenetrable goal keeping.

It's not even close.

(No offense intended to my friend "I am the devil")

anything to do with the devil scares me.

this kind of thing i think started ( i think) with the greek, Hades and Zeus.

zoro, if i will support rubbish football teams its no more than i deserve.

the seasons not over till the fat lady sings

Well i support leeds, and we are going down too.

Evil exists in this world.

yes, its alive and well at Upton Park

Goodison Park (Home of Everton) is known as "The Moon".

This is because there is no atmosphere, and no sign of intelligent life

what can you say, its liverpool build a berlin type wall round liverland

Yeah, to keep the mancs scum out

I’m afraid I’m not a believer in God or the Devil, bedtime stories to scare us if you ask me. An interesting quote there Emissary, it does seem that we live in world where the ‘my God is Better than your God’ issue surfaces.
As for Satan being Evil and everything like that, there has always been a good and bad force in the world. I read the Davinci Code a few years back, although I read it objectively Dan Brown did do his homework. Much of what we are taught about Satan has been moulded by the church over the last thousand years or so. Take the witch burnings of the middle ages was it a battle between good and evil or was it an attempt by the church to quash remnants of an old pagan religion.

What is evil exactly these days, it has so many different forms, from your drug dealer on the street corner to your barbaric dictator who slaughters thousands. There are those who would question the likes of George Bush and Tony Blair, going to church on a Sunday morning then ordering and air strike which results in the deaths of innocent civilians in the afternoon.

When I was young I watched The Omen, it scared the crap out of me. After watching it I feared things associated with the Devil because I thought the threat was real. Last year I watched the film alone, and studied its function as a film. It’s a really good watch and I came to understand my fear. Its an awesome film, and I don’t think I would have been so afraid if the music soundtrack would have been different. It’s the music that makes the film. Its just like Jaws, without that awesome soundtrack you’d have a pretty boring film.

I think religion is a good thing, it gives people balance and hope. Unfortunately religion is also manipulated, my god verses your god, your faith against mine etc. As we move forward into the twenty first century scientists are breaking new ground, I just watched a news story tonight concerning Cern Laboratories just outside Geneva, getting set to conduct an experiment which will create conditions just after the big bang, incredible. If scientists can actually do this experiment, then how will it effect our beliefs?
And finally there is the question of whether we’re alone in the universe. This is a question that will not go away and it is a question that is gathering momentum. Even now there are scientists not crackpots, but dedicated scientists who are searching for other planets. And when the day comes when we do discover evidence of life, whether it’s a frozen fossil on Mars or a micro organism swimming around on one of the oceans which allegedly exists on one of the moons of Jupiter, it will open another can of philosophical worms.

right on jason

My views on evil are in this thread beginning with this page: http://bestukforums.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=6434&st=45

Evil is Bombing country's (innocent citizens) the cmore ountry's you bomb, the more evil you are, especially bombs that burn people alive, ring any bells?

For instance if there were a country that bombed over 40 country's since WW2 that country would be evil by my definition. Ring any bells?

Yes. The dropping of incendiary bombs on Dresden by the RAF in WW2. Ding Dong.

Do you consider the British Empire evil?

Do you consider the Soviet Union evil given that Soviet dictators murdered more innocent people (several times over) than the United States killed in total over its entire history and that Stalin alone murdered more than 25 million Soviet citizens?

Do you consider the People's Republic of China evil given that Chinese dictators murdered more innocent people than the United States killed in total over its entire history and that Mao alone murdered some 20 million Chinese?

Do you consider Islamist terrorism evil?

Do you consider the Holocaust evil given that it was the "Final Solution" to the very same concerns you post about incessantly based on the very same Protocols of Zion you refer to incessantly?

Do you consider bigotry evil? If so, do you consider yourself evil?

Was the British Empire responsible for bombing OVER 40 countries since WW2, NO

But to answer your question - Yes of course it was evil.

Russia like wise.

Islamist terrorists are also evil.

The Holocaust was also evil.

The protocols if true? are evil and must not be taken lightly just in case they are true, any possible threat must be taken seriously, its what defence is all about.


I am no bigot, but you most certainly are. I personally dont concider bigotry evil, i do though consider it to be ignorance.

One thing to note here though friend zoro, you do not deny your countries evil actions, you just try to justify them, in your attempt to justify your countries evil, you have to compare your country with Evil Dictatorships, because you know that your country can not be compared to any decent country.

Your defence, is your own down fall. Your defence is proof of your country's guilt.

Are you saying that, since China, Britain, and Russia were evil, that gives your country the right to be equally evil?

Name the "OVER 40 countries" the U.S. bombed since World War II.

Iraq, somalia, afganistan, philipines (the rebel bits). and some more. help

The United States did not bomb the Philippines since World War II, but did bomb Iraq, Somalia and Afghanistan.

Recall, however, that "Truth Teller," BUKF's most ironically named member, claims the United States "bombed over 40 country's since WW2."

True to form, after I challenged him on his brazen lie, TT has gone quiet.

Counting the three countries you named, TT must name at least 38 more countries that the United States bombed since World War II, failing which TT will be exposed as a liar yet again and will add to his unmatched record of lies spewed in this forum.

It's a mistake to take a guy like TT seriously, but he's good for laughs.

So are you saying that Satan plays for watford then???????

OOO you sneaky little phucker you, talking about me behind my back, typical Yank, Sneaky snaeky.

Dont listen to his bull shit, and dont take my word for it either, check it out for your self on the net, its all out there, and then you will know for your self what lying bull shitter he is.

The Yanks though did not bomb the Philipines, they did not have to, as the Philpines did not have an army
to speak of, so they like the International bullies they are,just marched in during the second world war and then refused to leave, they are still there now.

The blood thirsty, Bomb happy yanks though have bombed many countries since world war 2, 2 of them
that the lying tow rag did not tell you about were, Vietnam and Lybia, i wil get back to you on the rest.

But do you think that lying tow rag forgot about those two countries or do you think the lying tow rag thought you were stupid and told you a load of bull shit to fob you off ? those two countries i just gave you should give you the answer.

Beware, for as the Indians of old used to say "White yanky b-stard speak with forked tongue" or some thing very similar any way.

And my i thank ytou for the compliment, bacuae you aint even good for a laugh, what you are good for though is BULL SHITTING, and as just about the whole world now knows you yanks you full of it.

HERE ARE A FEW TO BE GOING ON WITH - Do you think the lying tow rag forgot about these, or did he with his Ivy League education not know about them perhaps? Not a friggin chance, the lying bullshitter thought i was not going to see his lies, but he bopped a drollock, i is always watching.

China 1945-46, 1950-53; Korea 1950-53; Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69; Indonesia 1958; Cuba 1959-61; Congo 1964; Peru 1965; Laos 1964-73; Vietnam 1961-73; Cambodia 1969-70; Lebanon 1983-84; Grenada 1983; Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s; Nicaragua 1980s; Panama 1989; Iraq 1991 to present day; Somalia 1993; Bosnia (Republic of Srpska) 1995; Sudan 1998; Yugoslavia 1999; and Afghanistan 1998, 2001-02.

Watch this space, there are more American bombed countries to come.

Any thing to say at this point bull shitter?

To get an idea of what the countrry that Zoro defends so vigorously is like, have a quick look at this web site, and remember there are many more sites like this one on the net. The truth is out there.

http://www.unknownnews.net/usforeignpolicy.html

Let me know what you think.

And here is another little known yet interesting little snippet regarding zoro's dear homeland.

Afghanistan (1984-1988, 2001-?) -- President Bush said Osama bin Laden was responsible for the terrorist attacks on America, and demanded he be extradicted to stand trial in America. Afghanistan asked for the evidence against bin Laden, but America declined, claiming reasons of national security.


So they invaded them, Justice American style.

Thank you for proving you lied.

You claimed the United States "bombed over 40 country's since WW2," -- which means at least 41 countries.

You listed 22 countries, which makes you a liar right off the bat because 22 countries is not "over 40" countries.

And of the 22 countries you listed, I challenge 11.

Kindly provide factual references evidencing that the United States "bombed" the following countries during the years you state: Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69); Indonesia (1958); Cuba (1959-61); Congo (1964); Peru (1965), Lebanon (1983-84); Grenada (1983); El Salvador (1980's); Nicaragua (1980's); Panama (1989), and Bosnia (Republic of Srpska) (1995).

American troops did invade Grenada in 1983 and Panama in 1989, but that's not the same as bombing a country.

American troops were deployed in Lebanon not as combatants but as peacekeepers in 1983-84, and it was the American troops that got bombed by terrorists whilst asleep in their barracks.

I never said the United States didn't bomb any countries since World War II. I challenged your claim that the United States "bombed over 40 country's since WW2," because I know it is a lie -- and you proved me right.

I note the source of your bullshit is a left-wing website called "Unknown News" which describes itself as follow:

"We're Helen & Harry. We're real human beings, not a 'network' or newspaper. We care, so we have some opinions."

Link: http://www.unknownnews.org/about.html

That's not a factual source -- it's a joke.

And any proof you offer will be rightwing bullshit, yes.

I use reputable, widely-respected factual sources -- e.g., news bureaus, newspapers, quotations from the subjects themselves -- not websites called "Unknown News" which describe themselves as follow:

"We're Helen & Harry. We're real human beings, not a 'network' or newspaper. We care, so we have some opinions."

Link: http://www.unknownnews.org/about.html

It is very revealing that you cannot differentiate between a factual source and a website like "Unknown News" run by "Helen and Harry" and admittedly containing their "opinions."

Could you tell us all how you know that this website is not a reptuble factural resourse?????

Also could you tell us all, how you know sourses are reputable, i am sure you would not bull shit us but???

Are you or are you not going to tell us all where i lied ???? or shall we take it as just more of your Bull Shit????

I know because I'm an educated person and because the website expressly admits it contains the "opinions" (which by definition are not facts) of its owners "Helen and Harry."

You lied most recently when you claimed that the United States bombed more than 40 countries since World War II.

We are all educated zoro, that is no qualifcation of any kind, you are no differant to me, are you???

So you say that your teacher told you that this couple are not reputable???? If not your education has no bearing on this subject at all, in efect its just you trying to bull shit every one again.

And now give us the link that tells us all, that my list is not correct, unles of course this is just more Bull Shit.

You say that you dispute some of the countries i listed, but thats just your just your oppinion, exactly as with Helen and Harry unless you have some back up proof - Do you have any links that support your wild claims? Or is this just more Bull Shit.


I have not yet finished listing the countries that your country has bombed so i have not yet lied have i Bull Shitter?

Determining whether factual sources are reputable and credible has been part and parcel of my profession since 1988.

I first learned how to determine whether a factual source is reputable and credible in the early 1980's in connection with my two university dissertations, one entitled Econometric Analysis of the Effects of the 1973 Oil Embargo on the American Economy By Application of the Federal Reserve Econometric Model and the other entitled The Role of the PLO in the Middle East Peace Process.

In this context, reputable factual sources include direct quotations of the subjects; news wire services such as Associated Press, United Press International, Agence France Presse and Reuters; major news organs such as BBC, ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN; and established major newspapers with international circulation.

Determining whether factual sources are reputable and credible has been part and parcel of my profession since 1988.

Your profession has as much respect and credibility as a £7.00 note (NONE). It has been established that Legal profession are nothing more than judicial prostitutes, who will sell their principles to the highest bidder. So your word here means nothing at all, add to that the fact that you are an American it leaves you with about as much credibility as Adolph Hitler, and a just a tad less that Sadarse Hussain. So what we have here is more of your Bull Shit.



More Bull Shit, you seem to think that if you string to gether a few big words it will impress some one, well it don’t impress me. Did you by any chance get a degree in checking out iffy web sites?, Guess not eh. Man you sure can waffle.




And that is a list of media that you have not used here in this thread – so what the fcuk does it have to do with the price of eggs in China.

All bull shit, once we have deducted all the bull shit from your post we are left with ZILCH.

Your profession Reputable man you are a joke .

Do you agree that since i have not yet finished posting countries bombed by America, i am not a liar??

No, you're a liar right now.

Even the 22 countries you identified are not all true.

You are unable or unwilling to provide factual references evidencing that the United States "bombed" the following countries during the years you state: Guatemala (1954, 1960, 1967-69); Indonesia (1958); Cuba (1959-61); Congo (1964); Peru (1965), Lebanon (1983-84); Grenada (1983); El Salvador (1980's); Nicaragua (1980's); Panama (1989), and Bosnia (Republic of Srpska) (1995). I didn't pick out those 11 countries randomly.

Any other countries you add can only be lies.

I know American history.

No my friend you’re the liar, just because you dispute something does not make you right, we all know what a lying bull shitter you are, your name precedes you.

Your tactics here are the tactics of a supreme Bull Shitter, you aint posted no facts, nor indeed any links at all, to support your Bull Shit, simply cos you aint got none. All you got is what you majored in (Bull Shit) So what do you do? You revert to type, you lie through your teeth and try to discredit my source, and since you aint got no source to support your lying Bull Shit, you real off a load of well known Media sources, that you have no link to at all, to try and gain a bit of credibility. - You failed matey.

You said you dispute 11 of the countries, Show me your proof, put up or shut up, Give us the links, or forever be known as a Bull Shitter. I Gave you 1 link, now you give me 1 link to support your claim, preferably from one of the Meadia source's you mentioned earlier.

I bet its not forthcoming eh?

I agree that just because I dispute something does not make me right. What makes me right is your inability to provide any factual support evidencing that America "bombed" the 11 countries I disputed.

If the United States "bombed" those 11 countries, a simple google search would locate many contemporaneous, reputable, widely-respected factual sources -- e.g., news bureaus, newspapers, quotations from the subjects themselves -- certainly more than one website called "Unknown News" which describes itself as follows:

"We're Helen & Harry. We're real human beings, not a 'network' or newspaper. We care, so we have some opinions." Link: http://www.unknownnews.org/about.html

I hope, for your sake, that the following statement is a joke:

"You said you dispute 11 of the countries, Show me your proof, put up or shut up, Give us the links, or forever be known as a Bull Shitter."

Only an idiot could be serious in asking for factual sources proving the United States did not "bomb" those 11 countries. I would hope even you would know it is impossible to prove a negative with factual sources.



But all the above are merely your attempts to distract from the lie you posted 14 days ago:



Even if you were correct about the 22 countries you listed, the above statement remains a lie and proves you are a liar.

Everyone knows your drill by now: when you are caught in one of your many lies, you resort to insults to change the subject.

You are embarrassing yourself once again.

........... 22 is still quite allot.
Not to point out the obvious here.. -.-;

But 22 is not "over 40," or even close.

And, as I pointed out above, 22 is unverified -- 11 is closer to the mark.

the people who made it, probaly found 11 but wanted more so they bend/made up the ones that weren't bombed

No i am not joking at all, so i will ask again - do you have any thing at all, to back up your Bullshit?
Come on boy spit it out WHAT have you got?

I have one very reputable website to support part of my claim, how many you got? All we got from you is your highly dubious, if not absolutely worthless word. You are a member of the leagal proffession after all, a man who's principles are for sale to the highest biddr.

You my boy will defend even a child molester, knowing hes as guilty as sin, if the price is right. What is your word worth to any one?

Come on down child molester the price is right.

only a idiot would think it is true, truth teller..... yes your idiot! no comeback

That you are reduced to demanding factual sources proving a negative and to defaming me as "a child molester" prove there are no depths to which you will not sink.

That you cannot comprehend the impossibility of proving a negative with factual sources confirms you are utterly devoid of intelligence.

That you defame me by calling me a "child molester" confirms you are an unprincipled liar.

The one website you rely on is not reputable.

Your lies are not reputable.

Your defamations are not reputable.

Time and again in this forum, you prove to everyone that nothing about you is intelligent, honest or reputable, that you are a simpleton and a shameless liar -- and everyone sees it except you, which makes you a joke.

Bloody hell man, you really are a drama queen are’nt you. You really are just a great big tart.

I never said you were a child molester, and you saying that I did, make’s you a proven liar, as can be checked out by reading the previous posts.

What I said was Quote - You my boy will defend even a child molester, knowing he’s as guilty as sin, if the price is right. What is your word worth to any one?
Come on down child molester the price is right.


So once again you prove to the world and its Uncle that what I said was true, You’re a 100%, top Drawer, died in the wool, full bag o mashins, bonefide, Fother Mucking Bull Shitter.

Man this is like shelling peas.



Or proves that your as thick as an Elephants foreskin for not knowing that I am slow timing and taking the piss out of you.



Aw shucks, your just saying that, cos every one knows that you admire and respect my razor sharp intelligence, subtle wit and humorous repartee, in fact it has been said by some, that you are infatuated with me, which kinda makes us all wonder which way you swing matey. Come on baby blow us a kiss, you know ya want to.

More tea Vicar?

I'll let you lot pick the bones out of this one



"But mommy! I don't want to go to sunday school. I want to sacrifice peter instead."