ok i hate football and since the world Coffee cup has been on

walking threw town center hereing people shouting out abuse.
fight glass throwing smashing shops

like the local italian coffee shop

football is not a sport its a crime should be all stopped complety

theres no skill in it at all they get paid loads to kick a bit of leather across a bit of grass which my dog can do
when theres firemen doctors that get paid rubbish and there saving lives

so what you think?

is it getting more violent and is it unfair that doctors get paid less than football players when doctors are saving ppl


put as sticky please admins

i dont wanna harsh but really are chatting rubbish. why insult a game that unifies nations and brings people from different cultures together !

Tis not the game that has become more violent but some of it's players and supporters.


I think it's ridiculous the amount of money that footy players get paid but what can you do about it?

Erm....no.

But I'll run a spellchecker over it if you like

If the recent World Cup is any indication, football is becoming more of a pussy sport rather than more violent. To the extent football appears more violent, that's because the players have refined the art of what FIFA calls "simulation," commonly known as diving.

In the recent World Cup, divers were consistently rewarded with free kicks, penalties and bookings of the alleged offender while clean sliding tacklers were punished. I don't recall seeing a single booking for "simulation" (diving). That says it all.

well put zoro, football is turning into a pussy sport, and the art of the great sliding tackle will be lost if fifa get their way

bring back the good old days when it was a mans sport, wonder how long the "dirty leeds" side of the 70's would stay on the pitch

sorry for spelling but i am not intrested it spelling football isnt a sport its now a crime it always wil be if you suported ya home team and went to the swat sides country u probly get shot all togather it shud be stopped its just a game like every over sport all for fun peope think its a war ? thanks for your posts at least some of you people relises that its getting violent

In the 60's and 70's every team had at least 2 hatchet men. Which shows you how good bestie and pele really were, most of the time avoiding the crunching tackles

Hmmmmm........

What you talking about lol Thax for posting tho

i dont no anythin about football

only that they get carryed off on strachers cuz they have broke a nail or they trip over there laces which there mother have to do up for them lol

well it sounds like you know all about ronaldo

If you know enough about football to notice that many of the injuries are feigned, then why do you question whether football is becoming more violent?

Are you suggesting that five or ten years ago the injuries were even less serious than a broken nail?

When you say football is a "crime," is that because the players are not really injured when they act injured?

I ask because I see no other way to reconcile your opening question and your observations.

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zoroaster i have just read your sig, sounds like fighting talk to me

In expressing his wisdom, I don't believe Aristotle intended to offend anyone.

I have always believed that mothers have a closer bond to their children than fathers, but I attributed this to biology rather than the inherent uncertainties of paternity.

In any event, both statements can be interpreted in a way that insults either gender - depending on your perspective.

so what was your reason for choosing those quotes

My reasons are wind up and piss take.

But to assuage your apparently ruffled feathers, I replaced one quote with a quote that may be interpreted as offensive to men.

i say football is a crime in a diffrent way it makes peope be violent and destroy properties its a crime its all fake and they shouldnt get paid millions to kick a round thing .



doctors save lives not kick balls and they get rubbish pay



to end it footballs violent aand makes fans destroy peoples lives ad homes snf they should let the life savers get the pay

If I understand you correctly, you are not saying the game of football itself is violent but that football causes violence because football supporters are violent. I presume you are referring to hooliganism whereby supporters of opposing teams beat and kill each other and cause significant property damage. If so, I agree that football supporters have been and can be violent.

What I question is whether anything inherent in the game of football causes the supporters to be violent.

I suspect the argument that football causes violence may be an example of the logical fallacy of confusing correlation and causation.

A simple example of this logical fallacy is the following: The bigger a child's shoe size, the better the child's handwriting. Does having big feet make it easier to write? No, it means the child is older.

The causes of football supporters’ violent behavior may well be their personalities and the culture in which they were raised rather than any inherent qualities in the game of football itself. In other words, though there exists a correlation between football and violence, there is no proven causation.

Compare football with American football and the National Hockey League, a professional ice hockey league with teams in the U.S. and Canada. There is no question but that both American football and ice hockey are much more violent than football/soccer. In both American football and ice hockey, players must wear full helmets and substantial padding all over their bodies. Hitting and hurting an opponent (within certain parameters) are not only permitted in American football and ice hockey, but they are among the objectives of each sport. In ice hockey, the penalty for a full-on fistfight is five minutes off the ice - with an additional 10 minutes for drawing blood (though the team does not play shorthanded for the additional 10 minutes). Numerous American football players have been paralyzed. Notwithstanding that both sports are much more violent, supporters of American football and ice hockey teams have no history of violence or hooliganism. In my opinion, this strongly suggests that football/soccer violence and hooliganism are not caused by the game itself but by the societies in which the supporters are raised and the supporters’ personalities.

Finally, your criticism of how much footballers are paid is actually a critique of market capitalism. Footballers are paid what they are worth to those who pay them. If those who pay the footballers do not make a profit on their investment, they would not pay footballers that much.

A top boxer can make more than $10 million for a fight that may last less than one minute. Is the boxer worth that much money? The answer is yes, because if those who pay the boxer that much money did not make a profit on that fight, the boxer would not be paid that much money.

Celebrities and athletes are paid millions to endorse products, which requires no knowledge about the product and relatively little effort on the part of the endorser. The makers of those products would not pay millions for the endorsements unless the consequent increase in sales exceeds the amount paid for the endorsements. That's how market capitalism operates.

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zoroaster you may but up whichever quote you like, i was just wondering if you dislike and distrust women in general, i will not ask why if this is so, because i too know some females who are not nice,


or simply you was looking for a comment which i supplied as in gentle teasing all women to get a respones, which i for one can not pass up

You may rest assured that I like women in every way, including as friends.

Whether I trust women - or anyone, for that matter - is an altogether different question.

The only person I have ever trusted completely and implicitly is my late mother - and I note that I have a brother.

How sad, You've been in your job for too long.

It has nothing to do with my job directly.

The reasons are that I've been alive long enough and I've been to enough places and I've known more than enough people and I've directly witnessed others' personal experiences and - to a lesser extent - I've had my own personal experiences.

Most New Yorkers think just like I do - albeit for their own reasons.

You are making an interesting point about why football attracts such violence at times when it doesn't happen in other sports played here. I have been to cricket matches, when the English and Aussie fans are getting completely tanked up on lager and beer from 11am, yet there has been no trouble between the fans.

Football has always been less exclusive compared to other ones played here, ie you didn't have to go to a private or public school to partake in it as was often the case in the past with cricket and rugby. It is by nature more of a peoples sport and therefore will attract unsavoury types at times, who use it as a reason to act out a thuggery they already have. Most true fans don't act this way. I have also noted by chatting to some die hard footie fans, that there is a particular hatred amongst some for other clubs, almost to the point of mania, which I never come across the same in other sports. They get so angry over what is essentially just a sport!

Is this violence looking like a class issue here and education? It does bring this point into thinking at times even if it is uncomfortable to say. And does this factor into sports in America that have violence with fans? I would be interested to know Zoroaster.

It is also notable that violence is too often seen on the pitch as well, which wouldn't be tolerated in other sports, so it doesn't send out very good messages to fans at times either.....especially when they are paid so much for what they are doing. You can't say to fans behave, when you are allowing similar behaviour on the pitch at times with little consequences apart from a fine that is equivalent to a days wage for some of these players.

Compared to American football and ice hockey, football (which I will call "soccer" to avoid confusion) is not violent at all.

As I pointed out in my post above, in both American football and ice hockey, players wear full helmets and substantial padding all over their bodies. In both American football and ice hockey, hitting and hurting an opponent are not only permitted, but they are among the objectives of each sport.

In ice hockey, the penalty for a full-on fistfight is five minutes off the ice - with an additional 10 minutes for drawing blood (though the team does not play shorthanded for the additional 10 minutes).

Numerous American football players have been paralyzed from tackles that did not violate any rule.

Notwithstanding that both sports are much more violent than soccer, supporters of American football and ice hockey teams have no history of violence or hooliganism.

Indeed, no sport in America has anywhere near the violence associated with soccer. No one gets killed because they support a certain team. Supporters of each team do not form groups that fight supporters of other teams.

It must be something in the cultures of European countries that causes men of certain socio-economic backgrounds and personality types to become violent football hooligans.

I will be the first to admit that American society in general is as violent if not more so than European society. You can get mugged or shot outside the stadium or arena before or after an American football or hockey or basketball or baseball game, but it will have nothing to do with which team you support.

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