oolongcha
Oct 22 2005, 12:43 PM
I think this series of books needs to be confronted head on - if only for somewhere for HQ to post his random pro-Pratchett comments rather than leave them cluttering up the forum

So, who likes these books?
What ones have people read?
What ones are their favourite(s)?
Favourite character(s)?
What makes them good?
Are there any of the books that aren't very good at all? Why not?
One for HQ - how many has Pratchett written now...? I've lost count!
I think I've read most of the first 15, but couldn't keep up (I'll check that). The only thing I will say is that I read my first one before Pratchett was famous: I think it was Equal Rites, at a time when the number of Discworld novels was in single figures. Just.
Death is one of my favourite characters, but so are the Guards - but, as I say, I've not read any of the more recent ones.
Dace
Oct 22 2005, 02:10 PM
Death is also one of my favourite characters, and I think Mort is one of my favourite Pratchett books.
Oh yeah, anything with Rincewind in is a winner in my opinion as well
I think the best things about his books are the way the characters and the world sort of not quite fit together but work really well in a strange way. If you catch my meaning.
Harlequin
Oct 22 2005, 02:50 PM
| QUOTE (oolongcha @ Oct 22 2005, 01:43 PM) |
I think this series of books needs to be confronted head on - if only for somewhere for HQ to post his random pro-Pratchett comments rather than leave them cluttering up the forum 
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Cluttering up the forum! Cluttering up the forum!!. The man is a genius and I'm proud to display his works.
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| So, who likes these books? |
Having spent not a little time on a forum dedicated to his scribblings, I can honestly say he fan base cuts across all levels/peoples. There seems to be no single 'type' of person that reads his stuff.
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| What ones have people read? |
I've read nearly all of them.
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| Favourite character(s)? |
Personal favorites of mine are the wizards and the librarian. Their constant sniping at each other never fails to amuse.
And the Patrician...so freaking dry
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| What makes them good? |
The books or the characters in the books?
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| Are there any of the books that aren't very good at all? Why not? |
That's really a matter of personal taste. I don't like his 'kids' books, they are too complicated for children and not interesting enough for adults. As regards his discworld stories...Some that I have read I didn't like at first, yet after a second reading have become firm favorites. Of those I don't like the most are..
The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents.
Monstrous Regiment.
Wee Free men
A Hatful of Sky
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| One for HQ - how many has Pratchett written now...? I've lost count! |
I've got his latest offering in front of me now so I shall count them from the flyleaf...and the count is (without screenplays) is sixty five books. (of varying types).
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| I think I've read most of the first 15, but couldn't keep up (I'll check that). The only thing I will say is that I read my first one before Pratchett was famous: I think it was Equal Rites, at a time when the number of Discworld novels was in single figures. Just. |
My first was "Guards Guards", then "Pyramids". Then everything I could find as fast as I could buy them.
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| Death is one of my favourite characters, but so are the Guards - but, as I say, I've not read any of the more recent ones. |
Death is cool...but so is his daughter.
Cluttering up the forum!! I'll start singing the hedgehog song if you are not careful. In fact I'll sing it anyway
Ahem...cough cough. Ladies and gentelmen. I give you the hedgehog song. Sung in the key of G, with an orchestra of 30 kazoos.
Old Noah was mucking the Ark out one day
when he heard a great shriek from the neighboring stall.
Said he to poor Ham, who was hugging his loins,
"Ah, the hedgehog, my boy, can't be buggered at all."
Chorus (repeat after each verse)
Roll them all over and turn them around,
The hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The sheep is a classic, as well you may find,
the llama's all right if he isn't too tall,
the donkey's a danger for standing behind,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
You may pounce on the cat as he walks on his lone,
the mole has a hole into which you can crawl,
you must blindfold the basilisk or turn into stone,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The sow is a darling, so slick and so tight,
to cuddle and kiss as you lie next the wall,
but she don't chew the cud, so you'd better not bite,
and the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The squirrel requires the climbing of trees,
which puts you at risk of a slip and a fall.
The dog's man's best friend if you don't mind the fleas,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
You can do it with a frog in a puddle or pool,
though you might catch a cold in your whatchamacall-
it, or with a giraffe if you stand on a stool,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The rhino is often... reluctant... to flirt;
the termite's a challenge because he's so small
you might wash him away with your very first squirt;
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The bonobo monkey is willing to hump:
he'll do all his friends, both the large and the small,
and he'll do it to you if you show him your rump,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The humans are out, if you value your life:
it's incest, my son, since we're relatives all...
unless you'd make love to your very own wife!
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
I don't recommend that you tackle the skunk.
I did once myself, I'm ashamed to recall;
I must have been EXtr'ordinARily drunk!
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The kangaroo's pocket can carry your tool
though her kick may propel you clean over the wall.
The platypus lurks in the muck of his pool
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The camel is likely to spit in your face,
but don't take it bad, for it ain't personAL:
he simply detests the entire human race,
and the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
As a friend to the children, commend me the Yak;
he's perfect to start them on when they are small,
for they cannot slip off of his very broad back,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
You can take a wild ride on a wild catamount
if your ears can stand up to his wild caterwaul.
You can poke your own fist, but that really don't count,
and the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
Take care when you lift up the elephant's tail
or beware of the fate that else may befall:
if you pick the wrong end you could wind up impaled!
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
To futter the bat you must take to the air.
She'll flutter her wings and go into a stall
and pitch you off into God-only-knows-where,
but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The billygoat's habits, though pungent and weird,
you've got to accept if it's him that you'd ball:
he don't use cologne, he just cums in his beard,
and the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
The guinea pig's timid, and brainless to boot,
he's worse than no use in a ruckus or brawl,
but you can't pass him up 'cause he's so bloody cute!
But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all.
You can bugger a whale if you're willing to swim
or an ORanguTANG if you hang from a limb;
or make time with a snail if you slow... to... a... crawl...,
... but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all!
Final chorus
Or how about "A wizards staff has a nob on the end"?
ice maiden
Oct 23 2005, 08:51 AM
how can you pick just one book they are all so good
i also love death, Rincewind and of course the witches granny is great she is my idol lol
i am one of these people who reread books and i must say i have read them all more then once but have not got the new one yet
Harlequin
Oct 23 2005, 09:11 AM
| QUOTE (ice maiden @ Oct 23 2005, 09:51 AM) |
how can you pick just one book they are all so good i also love death, Rincewind and of course the witches granny is great she is my idol lol i am one of these people who reread books and i must say i have read them all more then once but have not got the new one yet |
His latest one "Thud"...is ok. Not great, but ok.
oolongcha
Oct 23 2005, 12:20 PM
I've since worked out that I've read the first 17 of the Discworld novels.
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The books or the characters in the books?
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The books - I mean, is it the characters? Is is it that they satirise this world? Or are they just pure escapism?
I think that they are very entertaining (and part of that is because of the strong characters - I tend to remember those more than the actual plots of the books), but, beneath all that, Pratchett makes fun of some of the things that go on in this world - and I think he does that very well.
I also read somewhere that one of the things about his books is the lack of repetition - and I think in the few that I've read, that's certainly true. They are different novels, whereas other prolilfic writers tend to write the same sort of stuff, with the same sort of things happening.
I've also found a list of Discworld Novels in chronological order:
1 1983 The Colour of Magic
2 1986 The Light Fantastic
3 1987 Equal Rites
4 1987 Mort
5 1988 Sourcery
6 1988 Wyrd Sisters
7 1989 Pyramids
8 1989 Guards! Guards!
9 1990 Eric
10 1990 Moving Pictures
11 1991 Reaper Man
12 1991 Witches Abroad
13 1992 Small Gods
14 1992 Lords and Ladies
15 1993 Men At Arms
16 1994 Soul Music
17 1994 Interesting Times
18 1995 Maskerade
19 1996 Feet of Clay
20 1996 Hogfather
21 1997 Jingo
22 1998 The Last Continent
23 1998 Carpe Jugulum
24 1999 The Fifth Elephant
25 2000 The Truth
26 2001 Thief of Time
27 2001 The Last Hero
28 2002 Night Watch
29 2003 Monstrous Regiment
30 2004 Going Postal
31 2005 Thud!
It seems from a brief web search that Reaper Man is regarded as the best by 'the fans' - is it?? I think I would put Mort and Guards! Guards! higher.
(I remember buying Reaper Man when it came out in paperback, just as Small Gods came out - but I didn't realise it was that long ago

)
easylife
Oct 24 2005, 10:07 AM
moving pictures was his best, just loved all the references to the films in it, espescially the 7 dwarfs reference, just so funny. Carpe Jugulum was the last one i read.
Harlequin
Oct 24 2005, 04:44 PM
| QUOTE (easylife @ Oct 24 2005, 11:07 AM) |
| moving pictures was his best, just loved all the references to the films in it, espescially the 7 dwarfs reference, just so funny. Carpe Jugulum was the last one i read. |
He messed around with all the big pictures and big names in 'Moving pictures'...Marylin Monroe carrying an ape up the tower of art (Empire state building) with the wizards firing from a broomstick...brilliant imagry.
Carpe Juglum...standing in the fiery wings of a phoenix...the ultimate test.
ice maiden
Oct 25 2005, 09:42 AM
ok folks question time
just name the book of which these are the opening words
1 this is the bright candlelit room...
2 the sun rose slowly, as if it wasn.t sure it was worth the effort.
3 watch....
4 this is the discworld...
5 the wind howled.
6 there was a man and he....
7 the sun rose slowly,as if it wasn't sure it was worth all the effort. (no not a mistake a differant book)
8 this is a story about memory.
9 the morris dance is common to all inhabited worlds in the multiverse.
10 this is the room where lives slip away...
good luck
Harlequin
Oct 25 2005, 01:18 PM
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| ok folks question time |
I'll get you for this just see if I don't!
I've had to actually use my memory...it hurt too...AND I had to go through all the books!
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just name the book of which these are the opening words 1 this is the bright candlelit room... |
..where lifetimers are stored - shelf upon shelf of them. (Mort)
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| 2 the sun rose slowly, as if it wasn.t sure it was worth the effort. |
Don't know.
This is space. It's sometimes called the final frontier. (Moving Pictures)
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| 4 this is the discworld... |
...which travels through space on the backs of four elephants..(Witches Abroad.)
..Lightning stabbed at the earth erratically like an inefficient assasin. (Wyrd Sisters)
OR Maskerade they both start the same
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| 6 there was a man and he.... |
Not sure...but I think it's from the book Sourcery.
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| 7 the sun rose slowly,as if it wasn't sure it was worth all the effort. (no not a mistake a different book) |
Don't know.
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| 8 this is a story about memory. |
And this much can be remembered..(Soul Music)
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| 9 the morris dance is common to all inhabited worlds in the multiverse. |
..It is danced under blue skies to celebrate the quickening of the soil...(Reaper man)
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| 10 this is the room where lives slip away... |
Some I can't find/remember someone else will have to answer them...good questions
easylife
Oct 25 2005, 02:04 PM
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| 7 the sun rose slowly,as if it wasn't sure it was worth all the effort. (no not a mistake a differant book) |
Another Disc day dawned, but very gradually, and this is why. The light fantastic
Harlequin
Oct 25 2005, 02:16 PM
| QUOTE (easylife @ Oct 25 2005, 03:04 PM) |
| QUOTE | | 7 the sun rose slowly,as if it wasn't sure it was worth all the effort. (no not a mistake a differant book) |
Another Disc day dawned, but very gradually, and this is why. The light fantastic
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Correct...I've just found the book in the bathroom and checked.
ice maiden
Oct 25 2005, 05:01 PM
well done so far very impressed so that leaves
2 the sun rose slowly, as if it wasn.t sure it was worth the effort.
10 this is the room where lives slip away...
can i just say i kinda cheated with those think of all his books
ice maiden
Oct 27 2005, 09:43 AM
ok answers but don't yell i did say i cheated
2 the sun rose slowly, as if it wasn.t sure it was worth the effort. the light fantastic ;the graphic novel;
10 this is the room where lives slip away... mort;a discworld big comic

creeps away into the shadows
Harlequin
Nov 4 2005, 07:18 PM
lordi rock
Nov 4 2005, 08:50 PM
I have never heard of these books or the author but after hearing you rambling away i have stolen oolongcha's list of the books to go and find one and see how good it really is. To the Public Libary!!!!
Harlequin
Nov 6 2005, 11:08 AM
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 4 2005, 09:50 PM) |
| I have never heard of these books or the author but after hearing you rambling away i have stolen oolongcha's list of the books to go and find one and see how good it really is. To the Public Libary!!!! |
Ahh...another potential fan is born. Try to get Gaurds!Gaurds! first.
oolongcha
Nov 6 2005, 01:16 PM
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 4 2005, 09:50 PM) |
| I have never heard of these books or the author but after hearing you rambling away i have stolen oolongcha's list of the books to go and find one and see how good it really is. To the Public Libary!!!! |
Hurrah! The thread claims its first potential convert! Ahhh, the simple joys of the internet forum...
lordi rock
Nov 6 2005, 02:20 PM
I have just ordered the first three books from amazon, The Colour of Magic, The Light Fantastic, and Equal Rites. I can happily say, i am looking forward to there arrival.
Harlequin
Nov 6 2005, 04:48 PM
Equal rites is possibly the best...but that is not the best choice you have there.
I'll explain later.
lordi rock
Nov 6 2005, 06:13 PM
Ok then,

I was going to get Gaurds!Gaurds! first, but then i thought i may aswell read them in the order they were written.
easylife
Nov 7 2005, 10:34 AM
sensible choice, at least you will start off with the joy that is rincewind, oh and the luggage.
ice maiden
Nov 8 2005, 09:43 AM
now the luggage is one thing i would love to have
lordi rock
Nov 8 2005, 07:46 PM
Yay i got the books today, whats up with the luggage? I can see i am going to enjoy these books
Harlequin
Nov 8 2005, 08:39 PM
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 8 2005, 08:46 PM) |
Yay i got the books today, whats up with the luggage? I can see i am going to enjoy these books |
What's up with the luggage?? It's the most dangerous travel accessory in the multiverse that's what's up with it!
Keeps your underwear clean though.
ice maiden
Nov 9 2005, 02:58 PM
how can anything that handy be dangerous (just keep it fed on beer and crisps )
lordi rock
Nov 9 2005, 04:32 PM
Or as Rincewind does, jam a peice of wood between the opening everytime you want to get something out of it.
ice maiden
Nov 9 2005, 04:35 PM
see you coming round to my way of thinking
Harlequin
Nov 12 2005, 10:58 PM
The problem with the first Discworld book 'Colour of Magic' is that the ideas for the discworld are not fully formed, it's more a series of short stories with Rincewind and Twoflower as the main characters.
lordi rock
Nov 14 2005, 09:37 PM
Ive finished the first book, it was pritty good. Kinda difficult trying to understand it all at the begining but i got the hang of it and straingly it all seems pritty simple and ordinary now
Defininetly a gd book. started reading the second now
Harlequin
Nov 14 2005, 10:56 PM
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 14 2005, 10:37 PM) |
Ive finished the first book, it was pritty good. Kinda difficult trying to understand it all at the begining but i got the hang of it and straingly it all seems pritty simple and ordinary now
Defininetly a gd book. started reading the second now |
It all makes so much sense afer a while

If you are giong to read The light fantastic next, you are about to meet Cohen the Barbarian.
ice maiden
Nov 15 2005, 04:17 PM
lol i just disengage logic circuits and adult humour circuits and go back to my simply fun brain that seems to work for me
glad we are converting you
lordi rock
Nov 15 2005, 07:58 PM
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lol i just disengage logic circuits and adult humour circuits and go back to my simply fun brain that seems to work for me glad we are converting you |
Lol my friend keeps giving me funny looks and thinking im strainge cos i keep on qouting lines from the book.
Oh well his loss
ice maiden
Nov 15 2005, 09:16 PM
well it is his loss
lordi rock
Nov 22 2005, 09:21 PM
Ive finished the first three books. Now waiting for the next three. All a great read
lordi rock
Nov 23 2005, 09:04 PM
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Equal rites is possibly the best...but that is not the best choice you have there.
I'll explain later. |
So now that i have read the first three books why do you think equal rites is the best HQ?
Harlequin
Nov 23 2005, 10:10 PM
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 23 2005, 10:04 PM) |
| QUOTE | Equal rites is possibly the best...but that is not the best choice you have there.
I'll explain later. |
So now that i have read the first three books why do you think equal rites is the best HQ?
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It introduces Granny Weatherwax and (to me) sets the stage and style of the rest of the series...kind of the whole thing starts to become something that is more than just one or two books, and Pterry seems to realise that he is onto something with the few books.
My opinions as regards Pterry's work are pretty standard...your opinions are of more intrest.
(The hardcore of Pratchett mania always refer to him as Pterry....something to do with the book 'Pyramids'...another bloody good one)
lordi rock
Nov 24 2005, 04:37 PM
| QUOTE (Harlequin @ Nov 23 2005, 10:10 PM) |
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 23 2005, 10:04 PM) | | QUOTE | Equal rites is possibly the best...but that is not the best choice you have there.
I'll explain later. |
So now that i have read the first three books why do you think equal rites is the best HQ?
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It introduces Granny Weatherwax and (to me) sets the stage and style of the rest of the series...kind of the whole thing starts to become something that is more than just one or two books, and Pterry seems to realise that he is onto something with the few books.
My opinions as regards Pterry's work are pretty standard...your opinions are of more intrest.
(The hardcore of Pratchett mania always refer to him as Pterry....something to do with the book 'Pyramids'...another bloody good one)
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You have a point about Granny Weatherwax, she's cool. I still thought "The Light Fantastic" was the best out of the first three but i suppose its just a matter of opinion.
oolongcha
Nov 24 2005, 10:51 PM
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 22 2005, 10:21 PM) |
Ive finished the first three books. Now waiting for the next three. All a great read |
Have you thought of getting copies from your local library? Only that I think it might work out a little cheaper - but perhaps I'm just showing my age by worrying about things like money
Harlequin
Nov 24 2005, 10:59 PM
| QUOTE (oolongcha @ Nov 24 2005, 11:51 PM) |
| QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 22 2005, 10:21 PM) | Ive finished the first three books. Now waiting for the next three. All a great read |
Have you thought of getting copies from your local library? Only that I think it might work out a little cheaper - but perhaps I'm just showing my age by worrying about things like money |
Libraries are ok...but some things you just gotta OWN!
If I think a books worth reading I usually consider it worth buying and reading several times.
Besides how is he going to build up a library of his own if he doesn't buy them?
ice maiden
Nov 25 2005, 10:07 AM
| QUOTE (Harlequin @ Nov 24 2005, 10:59 PM) |
Libraries are ok...but some things you just gotta OWN! If I think a books worth reading I usually consider it worth buying and reading several times.
Besides how is he going to build up a library of his own if he doesn't buy them? |
i agree you just have to reread these books
lordi rock
Nov 25 2005, 04:56 PM
| QUOTE (Harlequin @ Nov 24 2005, 10:59 PM) |
| QUOTE (oolongcha @ Nov 24 2005, 11:51 PM) | | QUOTE (lordi rock @ Nov 22 2005, 10:21 PM) | Ive finished the first three books. Now waiting for the next three. All a great read |
Have you thought of getting copies from your local library? Only that I think it might work out a little cheaper - but perhaps I'm just showing my age by worrying about things like money |
Libraries are ok...but some things you just gotta OWN! If I think a books worth reading I usually consider it worth buying and reading several times.
Besides how is he going to build up a library of his own if he doesn't buy them?
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My point exactly
ice maiden
Jan 9 2006, 06:09 PM
just thought i would let you all known my wonderful son brought me the picture book wheres my cow what a laugh
he may well live to see another xmas
Harlequin
Mar 17 2006, 11:38 AM
I'd forgotten all about this thread...how remis.
One of my favorite little bits that PTerry adds to the bottom of pages.
"The only things known to go faster than ordinary light is monarchy, according to the philosopher Ly Tin Weedle. He reasoned like this: you can't have more than one king, and tradition demands that there is no gap between kings, so when a king dies the succession must therefore pass to the heir instantaneously. Presumably, he said, there must be some elementary particles -- kingons, or possibly queons -- that do this job, but of course succession sometimes fails if, in mid-flight, they strike an anti-particle, or republicon. His ambitious plans to use his discovery to send messages, involving the careful torturing of a small king in order to modulate the signal, were never fully expanded because, at that point, the bar closed."
Harlequin
Mar 17 2006, 11:48 AM
And just for fun...here's the official website.
http://www.terrypratchettbooks.com/
oolongcha
Mar 17 2006, 12:41 PM
Map of the Discworld:
Harlequin
Mar 21 2006, 10:18 PM
He says yopu can't map the Discworld...but I've got a copy in the book "The Last Hero".
You can't trust Pratchett, he'll change everything whenever it suits him.
Harlequin
May 4 2006, 09:33 PM
For those who follow Mr Pratchetts works, there is news on the horizon...
Hogfather...the movie?
now that will be an xmas film with a differance
still how can you make one of his books a film after what they did to the Hitchhiker's guide
the cartoon type might work again
Harlequin
May 5 2006, 03:23 PM
QUOTE(ice @ May 5 2006, 10:47 AM)

now that will be an xmas film with a differance
I'd love to see them try
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still how can you make one of his books a film after what they did to the Hitchhiker's guide
the cartoon type might work again
That's part of the problem with his books, they are superb reading but just don't translate to the screen.
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