I find it amazing what you can find on the internet these days.

I was initially musing on the world Cambria, thinking 'this is very similar to 'Sicambri', derived from perhaps?

Then there are lineages saying that the Sicambrian Franks were previously known as Cimmerians, which immediately makes you think of 'sumerians' and Sumer and Ur - the cradle of civilization is Mesopotamia.

So anyway, looking more into the Sumerians I find this list of their kings, which was recorded in cuneiform:

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi31.htm

And I note that the 1st king has the name 'Alulim'. Then I think to myself - gee that, when pronounced, could sound awfully the same as 'Elohim', which is a world frequently used to denote the Hebrew god in the bible.

And indeed others have made this connection:

http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi32.htm

Although it has also been argued that Alulim was in fact Adam, ruler of Eridu and Sumer, Eridu argued to be one and the same as the biblical 'Eden':

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/topics/Evolution/PSCF3-94Fisher.html

Reading further, it seems "The Hebrews had three common names of God, El, Elohim, and Eloah" (the term Elohim being a pural). El is commonly used in the dead sea scrolls also.

BUT, look at the singular - Eloah. In arabic we find ilah - how similar is that to Allah?

So, what is suggested to me is that the terms Alulim, Elohim, El (for short), ilah and Allah all refer to the first king of the civilization of Sumer and Eridu, who is listed as having ruled for 18 years and 4 months - quite a very human length of rulership.

According to the Sumerian custom, kings were given the status of 'sons of god', given divine right to rule.

This catholic site lists works that has been done to translate the meaning of Elohim, derived from El: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05393a.htm

"the strong one"
"the foremost one"
"to be in front"
"the mighty one"
"to be mighty"
"He after whom one strives"
"Who is the goal of all human aspiration and endeavour"
"to whom one has recourse in distress or when one is in need of guidance"
"to who one attaches oneself closely"

All of these can be easily ascribed to a strong ruler, who is the first ruler in a significantly more civilized society than those previously in existence, and who, by virtue of being first, sets the standard for all those who follow – he defines the role, as people go out into the wider world to build more such civilizations they reference back to this example and its ruler.

Did Alulim become, over time, increasingly personified into something much greater than a mortal king, who simply had the fortune of being the first ruler on a large scale? When the Hebrews and Muslims used the terms Allah and El, had they forgotten he was just a man and it morphed into signifying an energy much greater than a king?

Is the plural Elohim simply a word for referring to a royal bloodline? A royal family believed by society to have divine right to lead, thus making them sons of god, but they in fact were just humans?

Assuming this when we need to take another look at this passage from the bible:

(reference source: http://personalpages.tds.net/~theseeker/ELOHIM.HTM )

Genesis, chapter 6, "The sons of the Elohim said of the daughters of man, that they were fair, and they took them wives, all of which they chose. There were Nephilim on the Earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the Elohim came unto the daughters of man, and they bore them children."

Is this really just saying that the royal bloodline married with some peasants and those that broke the bloodline became known as nephilim?

That is enough for now.

Ok - there certainly is a theory that the nephilim is the term ascribed to the offspring of nobels and commoners.

I've been looking at this Sumerian king list more, in tandem with wider history.

Now the 10 kings of Sumeria are listed as ruling for a collective total of 108 years, however that does not take into account that their life spans would have been larger than their rulership years - so we can easily think of these people as having been on the earth up to, and possibly beyond 150 years.

So what knowledge is there of what was going on on earth at that time?

15,000 BC: End of the Ice Age

14,000 BC: Mesopotamia Farming

12000 BC: small urban centers develop in Mallaha (Jordan valley) and Mureybet (Syria), houses in pits
9500 BC: agriculture (sowing and harvesting)

8500 BC: 700m-long walls of Jericho (Jordan valley), houses on the surface of the ground, built of stone (2-3000 people)

8000 BC: domestication of animals, pastoral nomadic life

7500 BC: Catal Huyuk (Taurus mountains in eastern Anatolia), obsidian trade, no city streets, terraced roofs, wall paintings, built of mud (5-7000 people)

7000 BC: Hassuna culture (north Iraq): ceramic pottery, geometric motifs

6200 BC: Samarra culture (north Iraq): symbolic motifs on pottery, planned settlements, egalitarian society, funerary objects

6000 BC: Ubaid culture (south Iraq): irrigation, riverside settlements

5300 BC: Eridu culture (south Iraq): hierarchical social organization, monumental buildings (first ziggurats)

3500 BC: Sumerians control city-states between the lower Euphrates and Tigris rivers: Eridu, Ur, Uruk, Lagash, Umma, Nippur

2900 BC: Uruk has 40,000 people and is divided in an administrative city and a residential city, while agriculture is delegated to the subjects outside the city

2700 BC: a first dynasty creates the Elamite kingdom (Susa)

2500 BC: "Flood" – connected to Noah/ZIUSUDDU or Ziusudra of Sumer, last listed king of Sumeria, the same figure known as Khshathra Vairya by the Zoroastrians, also called Atrahasis, Xisuthros (and one also wonders – Zeus).

2340 BC: Sargon I of Kish builds a new capital, Agade (Akkad, later Babylon), adopts the Semitic language Akkadian instead of Sumerian, conquers the Sumerian cities and becomes the first emperor in history

2018 BC: the Sumerian empire disintegrates

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Ok - so as it turns out, it seems that the last Sumerian King was also the biblical Noah and his rulership was interrupted by the great flood. Considering that many dates above seem to be rounded figures, we could easily make the case that the beginning of the Sumerian King dynasty occurs around the same time (circa 2700BC) that 'a first dynasty creates the Elamite kingdom' (the Elamites being in Iran - did they expand their system into Iraq, coming to control Sumer?).

We know that a move from egalitarian towards socially hierarchical societies predated the establishment of the Sumerian king dynasty by some 900 years, so I'm not too sure who was on the top of the hierarchy during the earlier 900 year span, though do wonder whether the 'fall from Eden' was actually the mistake of moving away from egalitarian living towards social hierarchy and the aggression, dominance, power focus, and ultimately serfdom, that led to.

Indeed we hear of a Sophia who did not know the bounds of her limits, Sophia also being able to be conceptualized as 'wisdom' - so perhaps taking the intellectual to such an extent that it created something that ended up being destructive (much like the discovery of nuclear energy).

If we consider the Hebrews to be descended from the Sumerian rulers who established social hierarchy in 5300BC, could they have lamented the ancestors that ever went down this track, because they could not forsee their descendants might actually become slaves to others who had adopted this system? Perhaps an interesting spin on what Eden might be about and what the fall of Eden is. It may well be that the fall is in terms of the spirit in which we see ourselves and our societies and then act within them. Needless to say, we remain fallen to the social hierarchy system to this day.

More about Noah - he was known by a number of names, but one cannot get away from how closely the Sumerian name Zius-uddu is to Zeus. To further the argument that Zeus is one in the same as Noah and Ziusuddu, Zeus had been referred to as a sun god. Remember now that the Sumerian kings were accorded the title of 'sons of god', so perhaps he is actually acknowledged as a 'son god', an acknowledged member of the nobility.

We are also informed that deucalion, a survivor of the flood, had managed to survive because he had heeded the warnings of Zeus. From this we could consider that deucalion escaped the flood along with Ziusuddu as he gives thanks to him after the event, then goes off to do some re-population.

The other thing that connects Ziusuddu, Noah and Zeus is that they were all associated with living in the mountains (after the flood) - all of the mountains ascribed to them being in a very small geographical area.

Given that the Babylonians inherited a culture and mythology from the Sumerians, and the conquest of the Hebrew-speaking people by the Babylonians and a captivity of of 500-odd years; and given that both Hebrew and Arabic are Semitic languages; and Hellenic contact with the Middle East over centuries; given all of that, I would have thought that conections between them are as likely as they are unsurprising.

The lie is the claim that the Biblical myths are the only exclusively "true" versions of what are obviously older Middle Eastern myths, in particular the creation and flood myths; while the myths surrounding Jesus can be found in older traditions relating to Osiris and Isis, Dionysos, Mithras, Roman Emperor cults and even stories about Alexander the Great.

great deduction work.
you guess something (based on "let's pretend that two words sound vaugly similar, and ignore words that do sound alike, but don't fit my theory"), then you reach the conclusion you started with,
absolutly amazing.

in hebrew "el" means god . meaning most gods will begin with el.
and "im" means plural, which is also quite common
so the similarity is't surprising.

when we look at the document containing "Alulim", we see he ruled for 30,000 years (as sar was said to be 3600 years in other findings), which is impressive
his successors also lived for similar periods.
this sound a lot more like star "platonic year" then king ruling period.
if you remember that they were star worshippers, the deduction "star=>god=>king" is very likely.
so how did they "prove" he was a king? they checked which star system was "ruling" at the time, and have absolute "proof" he was the king.
all this means these were probably the names of star systems that they adopted as kings to show "heavenly right" to be rulers.
the name "Alulim" has refference in borrowed words into hebrew.
the word "Elul", or in plural "Elulim", reffer to a month or the constallation Virgo, and unlike other words, do sound like "Alulim".

you may confuse sun with son, if you speak english.
but unfortunatly, they didn't speak english in sumeria or any of these cultures.

another intrestng thing is that "nefilim" come from the root "Nafal", meaning fallen, and may has been the basis to the christian nothion that demons are fallen angels.

Whether the length of the ruling terms of the Sumerian kings were in human years or in a much larger number of years is an area of contention. I guess I favor the human years interpretation simply because it makes more sense. A lot of these mythical persons in history have been found to have a real person attached to them, so I do wonder that later humans added fantastical elements to their stories.

And yeah, the Hebrews were exposed to Babylonian, Egyptian and Greek cultures who were in turn all exposed to one another, so it is quite plausible and has also been argued by a number of people that there were central characters that had different names depending on what language was being spoken.

I found out something that I think is quite fascinating - the New Zealand Maori call revenge for an injustice 'Utu', and the Sumerian god for justice was called Utu. The Maori creation stories also have many other similarities to middle eastern/mediterranean beliefs. The Maori used an oral tradition to pass down these stories and it would seem the name and concept of Utu remained intact through that tradition for in excess of 3000 years.

Oh yeah, the Maori celebrate new year on a day they call Matariki: http://www.taitokerau.co.nz/matariki.htm

It is centered around the rise of the Pleiades star cluster in the sky and comes on the next full moon thereafter, this being an indication of planning for the crops in the coming season.

We know Pleaides featured strongly for the Egyptians as well as the great pyramid of Giza would have had the constellation positioned directly above it when it was completed.

The Maori also talk of the first woman being fashioned out of clay and having 3 aspects to her - much as was ascribed in both Egyptian and Greek tales as well and from vague memory, may have arisen from Babylonian or Sumerian beliefs (those also probably having been drawn from older beliefs still).

Not to ruin your research, but I asure you that while Ilah and Allah are spelled closely in English, they're spelled REALLY differently in Arabic.