A Christian who was persecuted for not performing Gay marriage ceremonies has won her case against Islington council.

Note to moderator: No doubt you wil censor this as you are a servant of the Devil.

That's right I am the son of Lucifer himself sent to this forum to personally vexate you. After I have posted this I am going right over to daddy's house because Friday night is sacrifice a virgin night. Tomorrow we shall be opening the bowels of Hades themselves and the demon hordes will wlak the earth and you all burn in everlasting HELL!!!!!!


On a serious note BOB STOP POSTING CRAP!!

IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND????

P.S topic closed.

storm in a teacup

Hi

I've put a link below.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/f...icle4312447.ece

I think this woman was right to be criticised and damned for her actions. She was paid to do a job, not to discriminate against other people because it goes against her teachings; teachings, I might add, at are homophobic. Also; this woman was black; she should know full well what it is like to be discriminated against... which makes her actions even more disgusting.

She thinks her faith overules a mere sexual practice. Many do.

You could ask just how much of our personal beliefs do we submerge/smother to pander to minorities. She stood up and was counted. Nothing wrong in that.

Bigotry shouldn’t be acceptable.... more so when they are saying it is coming from their “loving God.” I don’t think it is pandering to minorities. I think it is unacceptable behaviour. People said the same thing against people who protested against Slavery, or freedom of religious persecution. All people should be treated equal; whether they are black, gay or just different. They should be treated with respect. If we are to judge then we judge the person and their behaviour.

We should ignore individual beliefs? Are we talking communism here?

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one." ?

No... we are not talking communism... but bigotry and discrimination. She took the job on under the rules of the law. If she had problems with it then she shouldn't have accepted the job. She is entitled to her opinions.... as someone who believes that child abuse is ok or slavery against blacks is acceptable. However, if people want to voice such bigotry then they must accept the consequences. If we are to create a better world; free from such bigotry and hatred then we must make a stand.... otherwise it becomes - if it is not already - a disease that slowly eats away at the fabric of society.

Laws change. Religion stays the same. Our laws are based on religious doctrines. (10 commandments).


Which came first..the chicken or the egg?

Yes... and that is the problem. People are entitled to their beliefs (even though false). Laws should be above religion. Everybody should be treated the same and equal; whatever their religion, sexuality or their ethnicity.

Ah but the belief of afterlife often over-rules the belief of law.

E.G. Honour Killings, Martyrdom.

And so you see the "You have to do it because its the law!" is replaced by, "I wont do it because it wont help me after i have died."

OK.... I believe in fairies... how will that help me if I didn't want to want to perform such a ceremony? AND how will it help her when she gets to the promised land? We she meet virgins? Or is that exclusive to the Muslim religion only? As there is only supposed to be the one God I presume she will get a tickle when she meets her maker.

*Sits back smugly and waits for the inevitable conclusion to the debate "religion sucks" *

Pervert Bishop Gene Robinson was told to repent yesterday at a church service.

Note to moderator: no doubt you will close this thread and/or delete it because you cannot abide free speech.


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Scorpio adds - See this link. The worlds first openly gay bishop was forced to halt his sermon as "the Anglican Communion gather for their 10-yearly Lambeth Conference in Canterbury.

His ordination as bishop of New Hampshire in 2003 split the Anglican Communion, and he has been excluded from the conference amid deep Anglican divisions over the issues of women bishops and homosexuality in the Church. "

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You make a point about a black person knowing what it is like to be discriminated against. However, there is no comparison; people are born with skin colour but when it comes to acts of gay perversion these are carried out voluntarily. People CHOOSE to do sodomy, people do not choose to be born black.

well u could say that a gay choses to be gay
and you chose to be a preacher and force your veiws on people and cant be wrong
id take a gay as a freind over you any day!!

same thing aint it your decission a gays decission you werent born like you are !

"Religious Tolerance"

Something of an oxymoron there I suspect.

haha! you took the words right ouy of my mouth
Actually I have a friend and a family member who is gay.
And not all gays choose to be gay.
In fact you see gay animals in nature, if they can be gay why can't we?

You are correct; a gay person chooses to do acts of sinful perversion and I have chosen to preach the Gospel. I am not, however, forcing my views on anyone, they can simply walk away or choose not to read them. After all, this is a "religion" forum.

Reply to Rach227: All gay practices between consenting adults are a matter of choice. They choose to engage in acts of perversion, in the same way that people choose to lie or swear and so on. However, they can be forgiven by God if they truly repent and accept Jesus as their personal Saviour.

Who are you to brand homosexuality as "perversion" in the eyes of your God or any of your other religious idols?

Homosexuality is no more an act or expression of perversion than swearing or lying. You are sealed in your own bubble Bob - utterly alienated and ostracized by your own beliefs and lack of insight into the real world.

I don't know which sect Bob follows, but here's a brief rundown on the C of E stance.

link




To give Bob some due, that passage may not make sense in the literal.

I am simply outlining the truth as contained in the New Testament (Romans chapter 1 v 27-28)

I am an Evangelical Christian and, therefore, believe that the Bible is my final authority in all matters of faith and conduct. I do not hate gays but hold to the Biblical teaching on this as being God's statement on the matter.

Who wrote it ? I am not keen on reading books that do not have the authors name on them.

The Bible was written by people who were under the inspiration of God. It has stood the test of time and has been proved right by fulfiled prophecies and archeological discoveries.

Those who disobey it's central message as I have outlined on this forum will pay the eternal price for their disobedience (and no one laughs in Hell).

So yoiu cannot have devout homosexuals who follow every teaching of the bible but not right sexual orientation.

No it bloody hasn't!!!

I've just been reading the "History of God" by Karen Armstrong... very good book. The more you read into it the more you wonder how people get sucked in. As Mulder said to Scully, "The Evidence is there, you've just got to look for it." Once you start breaking it down then the rest fall like dominoes. The trouble is people don't want to read too much into it... just skim the surface.




God opened it for us.... the same way as he said... "let there be light..." and there was... and he did.

I'd not heard of it, but a quick google and browse of reviews tell me it's something that should be on my bookshelf....and once my finances recover, will be.

Review and quotes

It seems to be that history I'd been chasing in my "Harlequins Hunt" thread, she's beaten me to it, or at least condensed into one book all the sites and versions I'd seen. A quick browse at that link I've posted says she's reached the same results I did (hey! I'm not saying I'm in her league, just I saw the same results scattered about, and the same name "El", but I had the version of him being a fire or lightning god.)

Most reviews say it's not an easy book to read, because of the many names and dates (I found that on my search too), but I'll get a copy and persevere.

Many thanks.

There is no thing as a "devout homosexual". Such a person may follow many of the teachings of the Bible in other matters but if they engage in gay perversion they have disobeyed the Bible. They need to repent and ask Jesus to be their personal Saviour; He is merciful to those who do repent.

Y'know I should delete that post Bob. But I'm going to leave it as a perfect example why some people should not be allowed to...

1) Breed

2) Vote

3) Be allowed near a keyboard.


My dog has better opinions than what you said.

0/10 try again

Your world is the most vile and contemptuous place that could ever be painted. Your expression of homosexuality as being "perversion" as per the word of your God and the Bible is merely an expression of your fear of homosexuality. The Bible permits no acceptance of homosexuality and you use it to justify your fear of the subject. Your views are the best evidence I have seen to date that the Bible is irrelevant, out dated, misguided and completely out of context with modern society.

Why should you delete that post? You allow posts with bad swear words so why delete my posts?
You state that your dog has better opinions. What I posted was not an opinion but fact based on the infallible Word of God.

The reason you reject the Bible's teachings is because the Devil has blinded you. No doubt this post will be deleted because the moderator cannot stand free speech unless it agrees with him/her.

Is it not just possible that I dont believe in God nor listen to any of his words or his son's teachings because I choose not to find them relevant or true? Why do you automatically assume that anyone who does not conform to your ideals and values is in cohorts with the Devil? I dont believe in either or.

Bobs 'bit on the side'

The Bible teaches (in 2nd Corinthians 4 v 3-4) that unbelievers have been blinded by the Devil.

*sighs*


Bob123 = the perfect argument for the non-existence of God. Anything that could create something as wonderful as the Earth, absolutely would not have put Bob123 types on it. Therefore God does not exist.

You will realise when you face God that He does exist, but it will be too late to repent then; your eternal doom will be sealed.

Nah. My place in Valhalla is secured. Drinking, wenching, and feasting for me when I croak.

Do you want to go raid some monastery's later, how far is Lindisfarne?

I was in a market town today passing out Jesus leaflets (we call them "tracts") and a young person started getting abusive. I told him he would face Jesus one day and that the reason he doesn't believe is because the devil has blinded him.

I expect that this will be deleted because it is not politically correct.

I'm sure that converted him instantly. I'm also sure the paper you used was really needed to be used in the manner it was.

But that's where it all comes apart really. The words and leaflet were completely wasted. It suprises me Fundamentalist -such as Bob represents- can't understand that either you have faith, or you haven't. There's no faith switch in the brain. No matter how hard I -and people like me try- we simply cannot believe.
I went through the motions at sunday school as a kid, but it never "took" I just didn't believe. It was just a story and mumblings I did to keep my parents happy, the prayers never meant anything, I was just marking time until I could go play football or something.
I suspect anyone in the street you could ask would answer "Yes there is a God." but they don't believe, not deep down. Only fundamentalist have that deep belief. The rest of us just say we believe because we are supposed to believe. Handing out leaflets to people who do believe, is a waste of time, and so is handing out leaflets to those who don't. The only person who gains any benefit (emotionally) is those handing out the leaflets.


Not by me, I like the platform you give me. But if another mod deletes it, I'll not worry.

You are correct to say that you "cannot believe". Unless God opens your eyes you will continue in unbelief and end up in Hell. The Bible clearly teaches that a conversion experience in a person's life occurs because God, by His Holy Spirit, has worked in that person's life. The evangelist simply points people to Christ by the spoken and written word, it is God who does the work of converting people.

bob, are you a nonce ? or a ponce ?

can't he be both?

Tsk - Tsk Rach


maybe it's just his hobby?