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The Men In Black is now a motion picture experience, but eyewitness accounts of these shadowy figures have been documented for 50 years, and they have become as integral to UFO lore as the Philadelphia Experiment, Roswell, Area 51 and crop circles. Aptly described as "sartorial agents of silence", they are believed to move in groups of two or three. They wear black suits and ties, travel in similarly coloured Cadillac's and turn up at the houses of those who claim to have seen UFOs. They will warn these witnesses not to pursue their. investigations.

They may confiscate any "evidence" that the "contacted might have collected. They seem to have telepathic powers, they are uncannily well informed, and give the impression that they work for the government - although US intelligence agencies have denied all knowledge of them. They are born of the same kind of paranoia that underpins sightings of flying saucers and claims of extraterrestrial abduction. The most common post Roswell stories are victims losing several hours of their lives, oftcll after witnessing a blinding light, and for years afterwards suffering recurring nightmares about being experimented on by aliens.

Just as the stories of abductions and close encounters are remarkably alike, so the stories arriving from different corners of the world about The Men In Black are uniform in content. And they go back almost as far as the first recorded UFO sighting, in 1947, when a pilot named Kenneth Arnold spotted a group of shimmering discs hovering over Mount Rainier in Washington. Almost immediately afterwards came the "Maury Island Incident" in which a man named Harold Dahl claimed he had seen some flying doughnut-shaped objects, one of which had dropped a lump of metal on his dog's head. Dahl said he had then had breakfast with a stranger wearing a black suit who drove a 1947 Buick Sedan and warned him to keep silent. The Maury Island Incident was later reported to be a hoax. Genuine or otherwise, this didn't deter The Men In Black, who pursued a tight schedule for the next 50 years. Albert K Bender, for instance, director of a research group entitled the International Flying Saucer Bureau, abruptly announced his retirement following a visit by three men with eyes that shone like flashbulbs. "If we hear another word from your of fine, you're in trouble," they warned him. Several years later, in 1968, Bender published a book in which he explained The Men In Black in more detail: they were, he claimed, from somewhere called Kazik; he had visited their spaceship in Antarctica; they had told him that their agents had infiltrated the Pentagon.

In 1971, UFO author Timothy Green Beckley published a pamphlet entitled MIB - Aliens Among us, in which he revealed a US Air Force memorandum apparently written by one Lt Gen Wheless. It warned military personnel to be on the alert for people impersonating air force of fixers, describing a person in a USAF uniform who "approached local police and other citizens who had sighted a UFO". Apparently, this shadowy figure assembled them and told them that they had not seen what they thought they had seen. Nor should they talk to anyone about their imagined sighting. As would be expected, sightings of The Men In Black were documented throughout the Sixties and Seventies when the fashionable nihilism spawned by the Vietnam war, nuclear threat and the arms race gradually mutated into academic orthodoxy. In an atmosphere dominated by Cold War paranoia, assassinations and Watergate, every conspiracy theory gained validity. One of the most interesting and most detailed descriptions of a Man In Black was given in 1976. Dr Herbert Hopkins, a psychiatrist based in Maine, had no previous link with this field, except that he had been treating a youth who claimed to have been abducted by aliens. Here is an abbreviated account of the whole episode, as Hopkins told it to UFO Review:

"I was alone in the house. The telephone rang and the voice on the other end identified itself as a member of a New Jersey UFO research organization. I agreed that he could talk with me about the abduction case. He said that he would be right over. I walked from the telephone in the hallway to turn on a light and the man was already coming up the stairs. If he was as close as across the street, or even next door, he couldn't have possibly gotten here so soon. "His attire struck me as a little odd. He wore a neatly tailored black suit, black shoes, black socks, and a black tie. He also wore a black Derby. I thought, 'God, this man looks like an undertaker.' "We sat down and I said to myself, 'This character is as bald as an egg.' He didn't have any eyebrows or eyelashes and his skin was a dead white colour. His nose was very small and it came down to just above the upper lip. His lips were ruby red. "He had the appearance of a clothing store dummy. His sump looked as if it had never been worn before. He spoke flawlessly English with no accent, completely neuter, like you would get from a machine that could talk."He was wearing gloves. They looked like grey suede. He 5 brushed his lips with the glove, and when he put his hand downy the back of his glove was bright red. I said to myself; 'This guy is wearing lipstick.' Then I could see that his mouth was perfectly straight. He did not have what we call lips, so the lipstick was there as some sort of decoy. "He could apparently read my mind. He told me I had two coins in my left pocket, which I happened to know for a fact. "He asked me to hold a bright new copper penny up in my fingers, and he made it disappear in a bright blue light. I didn't smell or feel anything. I was just fascinated at that point. "I got a little uneasy when he ordered me to destroy the tapes and any other correspondence and anything to do with UFOs. He said that if I didn't do so I would suffer the same fate as Barney Hill" [a renowned 'contactee who had died under mysterious circumstances]. "I truly believe that this individual was from another planet. He is not an invader. I don't think so anyway. But I do feel he, and others like him, are around, nosing about..."


The nature of these visitations has changed little in the past ten years, and stories still abound about peculiar interrogations conducted by men who, rather scarily, look like Bryan Ferry. In 1985, a report emerged from Venezuela in which two doctors claimed that they had seen two men wearing black suits and shades emerge from a magenta Ford Mustang and then climb up a ladder into a UFO. Nine years later, Mike Lonzo, a researcher n Pennsylvania, visited an old woman who told him that she had been approached by two individuals wearing black dinner jackets. They demanded she give them a black stone that was in her back Fyard because it had the power to destroy the world. She complied. Then they asked her out to dinner in a restaurant in Pittsburgh. Testis urzu, testis rullis. Everyone from Hawking to Asimov has had their say. We have been offered humanoids and reptoids, angel hair and hoaxes, interdimensional gateways and autopsies. The result is a virtual truth, so out there no one knows what is real. Eyewitness accounts of abductions and interplanetary travel have been indistinguishable from the parallel universe presented by screen writers from The Day The Earth Stood Still in 1950. In 2001A Spare Odyssey, an astronaut is transformed into a hybrid that is half man, half alien - a fantastic idea you may think, and one that could only exist in science fiction. But in America, Jenny Randles has published Star Children - "the stories of people who believe they are the offspring of aliens and humans". The Men in Black, chic and scary, are still an unexplained phenomenon. Psychiatrists may throw out phrases such as "fantasy prone personalities", "disassociative states", and "constructive perception"; debunkers will do their work and describe rational causes; but no one has pinned down The Men In Black and, consequently, disparate suppositions have been spawned in this arena of strange perceptions.

Theorists who affiliate UFOs not so much with outer space as with the paranormal suggest that The MIB are a form of demonic psychic energy similar to the poltergeist. Some have said that The Men in Black were linked to a branch of the US Air Force Special Activities Centre known as the 1127th Field Activities Group, which was said to comprise a group of underworld figures who were specialists in lock-picking and intimidation. Others argue that The Men in Black were Tibetan monks who followed the Dalai Lama and the Khamba riders into exile, and placed their yogic powers at the service of the CIA. This could help to explain why many reports of MIB describe their features as Asian. John Keel, a leading UFO investigator, has pointed out that, "a large proportion of the available UFO literature is based on hearsay and speculation. Many of the real and important problems have been suppressed at the source by the witnesses themselves or have been ignored by superficial investigations which concentrate on obtaining descriptions of the objects rather than studying all the events and factors surrounding the sightings.

"Many of the aspects which have preoccupied UFOlogists for years have proved to be misleading or have failed to contribute to a better understanding of the whole. The UFOs represent only a small part of a much larger phenomenon which is now occurring on a worldwide scale. By being more thorough and objective in our investigations we can - and will - learn more about the main phenomenon itself." But objectivity holds little sway in a land where meta-logic makes faith and pseudo-science gives rise to all manner of extraterrestrial hypotheses. You could put it all down to protean psychoid phenomena. Or you could simply agree that everyone loves a good story.


what about these 2 i wana meet them lol
tuscan
From what i know a bout Aliens which may i add is not to much , you have got to get through
all the rubbish surrounding Aliens before you can get to the truth.
i.e. Men in black being one of those myths no doubt there are secret agencies looking in to this stuff but really
would they wear black suits and black ties it would be more like the xfiles 2 people in a basement
trying to siffed through paperwork to find out what maybe worth looking into......
Kellyxx
QUOTE(tuscan @ Jun 26 2008, 12:06 PM) *

From what i know a bout Aliens which may i add is not to much , you have got to get through
all the rubbish surrounding Aliens before you can get to the truth.
i.e. Men in black being one of those myths no doubt there are secret agencies looking in to this stuff but really
would they wear black suits and black ties it would be more like the xfiles 2 people in a basement
trying to siffed through paperwork to find out what maybe worth looking into......


its sumet i so want to be true its exciting i think
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Harlequin
QUOTE(Kellyxx @ Jun 26 2008, 02:15 PM) *

its sumet i so want to be true its exciting i think
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We all want it to be true, but I doubt that it is.

I suspect that if we ARE visited, there will be no doubt whatsoever. How wonderful it would be to know we are not alone and the stars are there to be explored.

If there are "Men in Black" they need shooting because if there is something that would spur humanity forward it would be proof absolute that we have a future if we apply ourselves.

It would be far better if we met any aliens out there rather than here. If the Polynesians had met Captain cook out at sea in ocean going ships rather than shore based canoes, they would have had more respect given them, and not treated as 'savages' or 'simple'. We need to do the same, we need to get out there.
Kellyxx
QUOTE(Harlequin @ Jun 26 2008, 12:53 PM) *

QUOTE(Kellyxx @ Jun 26 2008, 02:15 PM) *

its sumet i so want to be true its exciting i think
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We all want it to be true, but I doubt that it is.

I suspect that if we ARE visited, there will be no doubt whatsoever. How wonderful it would be to know we are not alone and the stars are there to be explored.

If there are "Men in Black" they need shooting because if there is something that would spur humanity forward it would be proof absolute that we have a future if we apply ourselves.

It would be far better if we met any aliens out there rather than here. If the Polynesians had met Captain cook out at sea in ocean going ships rather than shore based canoes, they would have had more respect given them, and not treated as 'savages' or 'simple'. We need to do the same, we need to get out there.



ill get out there smiles.gif love it love it i agree cause they might come and detory us all !
rederic
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They wear black suits and ties, travel in similarly coloured Cadillac's and turn up at the houses of those who claim to have seen UFOs


If these three turned up down my road with their Cadillac, I think they'd stick out like a dog's wossnames & draw a crowd in no time.
Harlequin
What bothers me about "aliens" or at least the ones people say we've met, is the fact that they all seem vaguely humanoid ie: upright, two arms, two legs, one head on the shoulders etc.

Which leaves the assumption that the evolutionary process on their planet, must have paralled our own. But there is little chance that happened. There's actually more chance an alien would be something more weird, such as a five legged octopus (don't give me a hard time about that, you know what I mean) with wings.

They would just NOT have evolved from monkeys!
Rach227
I agree on that, who says they have any look that is like ours?
I would like to see for myself what they look like though
i am fire,fire,fire,fire
You have to remember Koalas (Australian Tree-Dwellers) have evolved fingerprint almost identical to Chimpanzees.

Koala - Australia - Likes Trees.

Chimp - Africa - Likes Trees.

And remember than the two different landmasses never interacted since the great continent.
Truth Teller
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Which leaves the assumption that the evolutionary process on their planet, must have paralled our own.


Or that, they were responsible for our being here on earth in the first place, i personally believe that we were created here on earth by a cross breeding of different species, one of which was Apes, that's why we are so closely related to Apes.

We have never found the missing link that much we all know is true, i believe we will never find that missing link, simply because there isn't one, the missing link was in a laboratory.

Religious gospels all around the world, tell of the watchers who came down to earth and found women attractive, their offspring were giants according to the gospels, its now a scientific fact that out breading increases size, which is why the yanks are a bigger race than us.

If the watchers were left here by God, to watch over us, they had a reason for doing so, they had a vested interest in us Why? Was it because that God created us here on earth, by a mixture of those beings from outer space, which is really all that God and the watchers were, and the natural wild life here on earth at that time?

God made man in his own image the Bible says, that being the case, there would be no wonder that the watchers took a sexual fancy to human females. The missing link is the species from outer space, or at least that's what i think is possibly the case.
oolongcha
Erich Von Daniken put forward that theory in 1968 (Chariots of the Gods) and in subsequent books and was followed by subsequent imitators during the 70s. It was crap then; it's still crap now.
JonoF
QUOTE(Harlequin @ Jun 28 2008, 09:55 PM) *

What bothers me about "aliens" or at least the ones people say we've met, is the fact that they all seem vaguely humanoid ie: upright, two arms, two legs, one head on the shoulders etc.

Which leaves the assumption that the evolutionary process on their planet, must have paralled our own. But there is little chance that happened. There's actually more chance an alien would be something more weird, such as a five legged octopus (don't give me a hard time about that, you know what I mean) with wings.

They would just NOT have evolved from monkeys!


Out of the total number of all animals on this planet, about 90% is made up of insects. Therefore the likelyhood is that any aliens we do meet, are probably going to be a form of insect. The strength of the gravity on the planet these insect are from, would define their size.
oolongcha
Of course, there's no reason to believe that insects on the alien planet would be as anything like as numerous as they are on earth. And if the thinking is that the alien planet is "earth-like", then there's every reason to assume that it's evolution would be "earth-like" to, with warm-blooded vetebrates developing higher levels of consciousness. Although that's not saying much in terms of body form - a number of dinosaurs are thought to be endothermic (i.e. warm-blooded), as well as birds and mammals today.

Jono's reminded me of one of my favourite stories, though, which may or may not be true - the biologist JBS Haldane was asked something about what his career researching the natural world told him about God, and he was supposed to have replied: "He has an inordinate fondness for beetles".
JonoF
QUOTE(oolongcha @ Sep 29 2008, 12:25 AM) *

Of course, there's no reason to believe that insects on the alien planet would be as anything like as numerous as they are on earth. And if the thinking is that the alien planet is "earth-like", then there's every reason to assume that it's evolution would be "earth-like" to, with warm-blooded vetebrates developing higher levels of consciousness. Although that's not saying much in terms of body form - a number of dinosaurs are thought to be endothermic (i.e. warm-blooded), as well as birds and mammals today.


Aye, plus there's yet another train of thought. Even if the alien planet isn't "Earth like" other than micro-organisms, insects are the most resiliant creatures on earth, making them perfectly suited for many different environments. Your always hearing stories about nuclear testing sites, thermal testing sites etc... that have reported to still have an abundance of insect life. So even if this alien planet was dramatically different, as long as it has the basic elements required for life, insects would find a way.

It also depends on how long the alien planet has sustained life. The insect physiology pre-dates even the dinosaurs. If we drop down on a planet in its early years, we might not find much more than millions of different varieties of ants.

QUOTE(oolongcha @ Sep 29 2008, 12:25 AM) *

Jono's reminded me of one of my favourite stories, though, which may or may not be true - the biologist JBS Haldane was asked something about what his career researching the natural world told him about God, and he was supposed to have replied: "He has an inordinate fondness for beetles".


Ha, i quite like that one oo. Made me smile.
man of kent
QUOTE(tuscan @ Jun 26 2008, 02:06 PM) *

From what i know a bout Aliens which may i add is not to much , you have got to get through
all the rubbish surrounding Aliens before you can get to the truth.
i.e. Men in black being one of those myths no doubt there are secret agencies looking in to this stuff but really
would they wear black suits and black ties it would be more like the xfiles 2 people in a basement
trying to siffed through paperwork to find out what maybe worth looking into......


these men are real..... they have been many times at my door.....they are called ..... Jehova Witnesses !
oolongcha
QUOTE(JonoF @ Sep 30 2008, 01:00 AM) *

Aye, plus there's yet another train of thought. Even if the alien planet isn't "Earth like" other than micro-organisms, insects are the most resiliant creatures on earth, making them perfectly suited for many different environments. Your always hearing stories about nuclear testing sites, thermal testing sites etc... that have reported to still have an abundance of insect life. So even if this alien planet was dramatically different, as long as it has the basic elements required for life, insects would find a way.

Sort of further to that, am I the only one worried by the latest effort to contact alien life? I mean, I know I'm not the first person to it, but these efforts are based on the assumption that said aliens are going to be glued to their radio receiving equipment which - if they're much more advanced than us - is by definition going to be antiquated by their standards. But worse, we're doing so on a second assumption that they are a benign, peace-loving set of aliens. Could we just be advertising the fact that we're a primitive, resource-rich planet there for the taking - as indeed Europeans have tended to regard Africa, parts of Asia, the Americas, and Australasia in days gone by?
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